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Finding neutral

Postby mikeybizzle » 30 Jun 2017 07:47

Hopefully only a small problem :? .
When my sport engine is running whether hot or cold it is near impossible to get it back into neutral any ideas what to look for ?
Thanks in advance and I will report back .

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Re: Finding neutral

Postby MarkB » 30 Jun 2017 07:53

It's always difficult to find neutral if you're stationary; it's much easier to tap it in while you're still rolling.
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby 72degrees » 30 Jun 2017 09:17

MarkB wrote:It's always difficult to find neutral if you're stationary; it's much easier to tap it in while you're still rolling.

This.
Though it's worth double checking adjustment at handlebar *and* the lever on the crankcase. Also remote gear linkage joints for stiffness or lost slop if it has one. I find rocking it backwards and forwards if you forget to do it on the move helps, also tapping down from 2nd seems to work better than hooking up from 1st.
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby MickeyMoto » 30 Jun 2017 10:34

Hi a quick search here will reveal this as a characteristic of the engine. It can be tamed, but needs the engineering skills of Rolls Royce aero engines! Beyond me, so I just work around it.

It is much easier to find Nemo!
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby pedro » 30 Jun 2017 16:01

I had this problem and could not seem to overcome it, however, on putting a new set of clutch steel plates in (not expensive) the problem disappeared. Any slight warping will make neutral selection impossible.
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby 72degrees » 30 Jun 2017 16:48

pedro wrote:I had this problem and could not seem to overcome it, however, on putting a new set of clutch steel plates in (not expensive) the problem disappeared. Any slight warping will make neutral selection impossible.


My project bike has had all new clutch plates, both friction and plain but it still is tricky to find neutral on. Then the clutch basket and hub were a bit notched. I dressed them smooth as best I could but that could be another factor. Also a hub/basket that is 'shimmed' too tight leading to drag between the clutch hub and its thrust washer (see Evguru's post on the 'clatter' thread) might not help.

To be fair, most of my old Italian bikes (Morini and Gilera) have been similar when a bit hot, so I just 'accommodate' to it.
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby 3potjohn » 30 Jun 2017 18:53

I can find neutral but not always and when I do it never feels a very positive so when i let the clutch out I expect it to be in gear. I have relatively newish clutch plates, The gear lever is a bit wobbly on its pivot. I've tried shimming the clutch.
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby Papa Lazarou » 30 Jun 2017 19:05

I turn the engine off with the ignition key-then find neutral. Oh for a kill switch!
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby 72degrees » 30 Jun 2017 19:12

3potjohn wrote:I can find neutral but not always and when I do it never feels a very positive so when i let the clutch out I expect it to be in gear. I have relatively newish clutch plates, The gear lever is a bit wobbly on its pivot. I've tried shimming the clutch.


Sounds like both mine. I always let the clutch out very gingerly expecting a stall, though now I've practiced the rock and tap down technique it's OK most of the time. A bit of a bugger on the start line at a hill climb if you stall it and keep everyone waiting as you restart - which I can't manage sitting astride the bike, so Mark's "find it while rolling" up to the lights is the best strategy.
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby MickeyMoto » 30 Jun 2017 19:22

What, no neutral light? He says with a smug look! Thought all '76 Morinis had them... :D
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby mgelder » 04 Jul 2017 08:34

Cutch (and rearset linkage) adjustment help, but I've never found finding neutral an issue on mine. Is this something I now need to start worrying about?
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby 72degrees » 04 Jul 2017 10:14

mgelder wrote:Cutch (and rearset linkage) adjustment help, but I've never found finding neutral an issue on mine. Is this something I now need to start worrying about?


No. "If it works don't fix it" ;)
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby MickeyMoto » 04 Jul 2017 11:15

72degrees wrote:
mgelder wrote:Cutch (and rearset linkage) adjustment help, but I've never found finding neutral an issue on mine. Is this something I now need to start worrying about?


No. "If it works don't fix it" ;)


I have thought long and hard about the above. Is Martin's bike 'fixed' as it selects neutral easily or 'broken' for the same reason? Surely it has been modified from standard and therefore nowt to worry about! Am i 'clutching' at straws?

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Re: Finding neutral

Postby 72degrees » 04 Jul 2017 12:05

MickeyMoto wrote:
72degrees wrote:
mgelder wrote:Cutch (and rearset linkage) adjustment help, but I've never found finding neutral an issue on mine. Is this something I now need to start worrying about?


No. "If it works don't fix it" ;)


I have thought long and hard about the above. Is Martin's bike 'fixed' as it selects neutral easily or 'broken' for the same reason? Surely it has been modified from standard and therefore nowt to worry about! Am i 'clutching' at straws?

Just ride! :)


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Just be grateful that it has no neutral selection 'issues'. Then, it might be like a racing 2T - goes the very best just before it blows up ;)
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Re: Finding neutral

Postby mgelder » 05 Jul 2017 08:17

MickeyMoto wrote:
72degrees wrote:
mgelder wrote:Cutch (and rearset linkage) adjustment help, but I've never found finding neutral an issue on mine. Is this something I now need to start worrying about?


No. "If it works don't fix it" ;)


I have thought long and hard about the above. Is Martin's bike 'fixed' as it selects neutral easily or 'broken' for the same reason? Surely it has been modified from standard and therefore nowt to worry about! Am i 'clutching' at straws?

Just ride! :)


Now I'm worried there might be other things I don't know about that are wrong with it. It always starts easily; is this also a problem?

The brakes are also good; should I change the master cylinder to make them worse, or at least give less feel?

So many problems...
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