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Starter motor generating heat!

Posted: 20 Apr 2022 11:10
by pev999
The starter motor on my 1983 500 Sei-V was working perfectly until one day it wasn't! It was in the garage, the engine was cold and I just heard a click from the solenoid. I kept trying and then suddenly the motor started spinning and turning the engine but wouldn't stop. I disconnected the battery and found that the starter relay (original type) was very hot and smoking. When I removed this and took it apart the contacts were stuck together. I then replaced the relay with a solid state Durite one as recommended on this forum (I have read just about every post on starter motors and relays on here - just as well I am retired with time on my hands!) and recharged the Odyssey battery. This would only click and then stopped doing even that - it also got hot. On opening it up, the moving contact leaf had snapped.
I then thought it must be the starter motor. Using Paul's excellent You Tube videos I removed and dismantled the starter motor. It was very clean inside and all bearings, brushes and gears were fine - as they should be since the previous owner had it rebuilt 4 years ago at a cost of £200. The only thing was that the gearbox was totally dry and the gears were a touch stiff. I dismantled and cleaned the gearbox, rebuilt it and filled with oil as specified. I put the whole motor back together as in the video and everything seemed fine. I decided to run it from a battery on the bench as in the video. The motor ran very well and sounded fine but the jump leads I used got very hot. There was some sparking as I tested it but no more than in the video.
Basically I am asking for reassurance before I refit it as I have never serviced a starter motor before. Is it normal for the leads to get hot when sparking it up from a battery via jump leads? Or is there some kind of fault with a starter motor that generates enough heat to fry anything attached to it? I don't want to refit it until I know it's right.
Cheers
Brian

Re: Starter motor generating heat!

Posted: 20 Apr 2022 16:36
by 3potjohn
If the starter motor has been cleaned out,the brushes are making good contact, bearing sound, starter gearbox is turning with no binding , decent battery you should be to good to go.
My relay welded the contacts closed in the paddock at Cadwell once. I had to try a well aimed kick( take note you MUFC fans) to stop the starter motor.
I got a durite relay too but was uncertain as to the weather proofing and coated the thing in threebond for good measure.A right old mess.
I since acquired a number of metal bodied relays ,one of which is currently fitted.
The starter motor does seem to need attention, I did read that they take as much effort to maintain as the rest of the bike and agree.
At the mo mine is working perfectly since my latest rebuild.

Re: Starter motor generating heat!

Posted: 21 Apr 2022 11:28
by lemans
the startermotor is basicaly build as a series-motor, so it will draw a hefty current. even when just lying on a bench.
I would just refit it and then try to start the engine.
regards A

Re: Starter motor generating heat!

Posted: 01 May 2022 17:55
by pev999
Thanks for the advice. Refitted and turns over. For some reason it starts better on the kickstart - don't they all!